Showing posts with label 1 of nine. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 1 of nine. Show all posts

23 October 2009

Inspired by Water

Glass Sculptor - Mohyin Kwan and Pianist - Jonathan Ang recently performed at 1 of nine a charity fundraiser event organised by Creative [SIN]ergy. This event was in aid of Breast Cancer Care. They performed an experimental piece of music inspired by water. Jonathan Ang used the piano to play a tune relating to water, and mixing it together with tunes from the Mbira which has a tinkling sound that gave the feeling of water. Combining these 2 instruments was a Glass Sculpture by Mohyin Kwan as an accompanying instrument that added to the harmony of the performance piece.

This
experimental piece gave them an opportunity to combine music and art together. These tunes were played to a photo montage of the glass sculpture.

21 October 2009

In Blackwater Woods

In Blackwater Woods was presented as the closing piece for 1 of nine at the Toynbee Hall on 10th October 2009. In Blackwater Woods is a lovely 3min poetic short film, which was shot on Super8 and directed by Fashion Designer Lilia Yip and Jessica Kneipp and edited by Tarjona Karhu. The film is a visual fragment of the emotional journeys traversed by people who have been affected by breast cancer - the collected thoughts and feelings from patients, friends and family. It takes its title from a Mary Oliver poem ‘In Blackwater Woods’. The film was narrated by Lilia Yip and features an original score composed by classical pianist Ziliang Song, which was performed live that afternoon.

16 October 2009

Juan Lim and Kok Loong Wong performs at Toynbee Hall


Cancer not only has psychological influences on the patients but it also has a huge physiological impact too, especially Breast cancer. It causes imperfection to the body…

Cellist, Juan Lim and Architect, Kok Loong Wong recently performed at 1 of nine at the Toynbee Hall. They presented a music performance with moving images. The idea of their collaboration was inspired by the Japanese aesthetic of looking at things. Wabi -Sabi - to seek beauty in things imperfect, impermanent and incomplete. It is the beauty of unconventional things.

The moving image sequence was a series of pottery pieces
Kok Loong Wong made. Traditionally, pottery making often concentrates on achieving symmetrical perfection in the process of creation. But Kok Loong Wong was interested in experimenting and try to break away from this conventional way of making pottery. The outcome of the experiment might seem strange to some, but it reveals its own beauty.

As an emotional response to what
Kok Loong Wong created, Juan Lim chose the dissonant, ambient music of the Cello Sonata by George Crumb, to represent the notions of imperfection and sorrow. Yet out of that imperfection there should arise perfection, or the aspiration towards perfection- hence the choice of the Prelude from the G major Cello Suite by Johann Sebastian Bach, who wrote some of the most perfect and uplifting music in Western art.

They hoped
that the performance inspires people to see that all beauty is imperfect.

We tend to believe that the beauty of things should be symmetrically perfect, that all imperfection is ugly. And yet a tree is not symmetrical.

14 October 2009

1 of nine in aid of Breast Cancer Care

Thank you again for a great event, all the artists were brilliant!
- Anita Jerkovic

Thanks, I certainly enjoyed it, some great talent on display.
- Ben Jones


Another successful event organised by Creative [SIN]ergy. 1 of nine is a charity fundraiser in aid of Breast Cancer Care and was attended by 73 people. The event was held at Toynbee Hall in the East End on 10th October 2009 during breast cancer awareness month.

1 of nine was an afternoon of Music and Art featuring collaborations between Musicians, Artists and Designers, resulting in a cross disciplinary effort of performance pieces and a charity auction. The name 1 of nine refers to the probability during the overall life expectancy of a women, 1 in 9 may suffer from breast cancer. It also refers to the participants, which are made up of 9 pairs consisting of 9 musicians and 9 artists/ designers coming together for 1 cause.The Afternoon started with a tea reception where guest were treated to a lovely exhibition curated by Siti Osman, featuring works by 1 of nine participants Kok Loong Wong, Lilia Yip, Mohyin Kwan, Sarah Cai and Virginie Litzler, Mathilda Holmqvist. The works were all for sale with a few pieces auctioned off at the end of the afternoon to raise funds for Breast Cancer Care.The performance segment of the event began with a lovely heartfelt appreciation speech by Breast Cancer Care volunteer, Sharon. Opening the event was Fontane Liang and Song Ming Ang with an improvisational and experimental music piece. The following music performance was a time-laps photography film by Louis Lau which was made up of over 2000 photographs. This was played to an accordion piece by Shzr Ee Tan.

Following that, Poulenc's sonata with Video by Curator Siti Osman and Shaun Ho on Violin, accompanied on the piano by Ziliang Song. The video (untitled) is by an Portuguese artist, Bruno Jamaica, who is based in London and Berlin. Bruno is a trained sculptor and landscape artist, who works mainly with elastic strings. Poulenc's piece was expressive and punctuated with explosive bursts of highs and lows. The performance conveyed freedom of movement in the open wind, it speaks of uncertainties, tension and hope. The piece capture the audience with assertive music but also instill hope for Breast Cancer.

Next up was
a music performance with moving images by Cellist Juan Lim and Architect Kok Loong Wong. The idea of their collaboration was inspired by the Japanese aesthetic of looking at things. Wabi -Sabi - to seek beauty in things imperfect, impermanent and incomplete. As an emotional response to what Kok Loong Wong created, Juan Lim chose the dissonant, ambient music of the Cello Sonata by George Crumb, to represent the notions of imperfection and sorrow. Yet out of that imperfection there should arise perfection, hence the choice of the Prelude from the G major Cello Suite by Johann Sebastian Bach, who wrote some of the most perfect and uplifting music in Western art. After the break, audience were treated to a music performance with spoken words by Yao Cong Tan and Rosaline Ting, featuring: Su-Lin Looi. Su-Lin read a short story entitled, Splinter Under Your Skin by Rosaline Ting accompanied by Yao Cong Tan on Tuba. Following that, a music performance with Film by Grace Lee on Violin and Sarah Cai accompanied on Piano by Ziliang Song.

This was followed by a music performance
by Soprano, Eeping Yee and Adam Loh, a ex-resident DJ at Zouk. In the absence of Adam Loh, Eeping was accompanied by Fontane Liang. Eeping Yee sung Morgen, a lovely poetic piece by Strauss and a touching and all time opera favourite, O mio babbino caro by Puccini.

Next up was a experimental piece of music inspired by water
presented by Jonathan Ang who play on the Piano, Mbira and a Glass Sculpture by Mohyin Kwan as an accompanying instrument. This experimental piece gave them an opportunity to combine music and art together. These tunes were played to a photo montage of the glass sculpture.

The performance segment ended with a lovely 3min poetic short film entitled, In Blackwater Woods, which was shot on Super8. Directed by Fashion Designer Lilia Yip and Jessica Kneipp and edited by Tarjona Karhu. In Blackwater Woods was narrated by Lilia Yip and features an original score composed by classical pianist Ziliang Song, whihc was performed live that afternoon.The afternoon ended with 2 artworks auction off to raise funds for Breast Cancer Care. These items include a screen print by Sarah Cai and a painting by Kok Loong Wong.
1 of nine ended with a post reception where the audience got a chance to meet and socialise with the performers.
1 of nine is supported by: The Singapore High Commission in UK, Overseas Singaporean Unit and Yeo's, with special Thanks to Mrs Teo.

In aid of: Breast Cancer Care

Musicians involved:
Eeping Yee / Fontane Liang / Grace Lee / Jonathan Ang / Juan Lim / Shaun Ho / Shzr Ee Tan / Yao Cong Tan / Ziliang Song

Artists/ Designers involved:
Adam Loh / Kok Loong Wong / Lilia Yip / Louis Lau / Mohyin Kwan / Rosaline Ting (featuring: Su-Lin Looi) / Sarah Cai / Siti Osman / Song Ming Ang

10 October 2009

1 of nine - Charity Fundraiser

Creative [SIN]ergy presents,
1 of nine
Saturday 10 Oct 2009
3.00 - 6.00pm


Toynbee Hall
28 Commercial Street London E1 6LS

(1 min walk from Aldgate East tube station)

Supported by: The Singapore High Commission in UK, Overseas Singaporean Unit and Yeo's, with special Thanks to Mrs Teo.
In aid of: Breast Cancer Care

Come join us for an afternoon of Music and Art. 1 of nine is a charity fundraiser in aid of Breast Cancer Care, a registered UK charity. This event will be held at Toynbee Hall in the East End on 10th October 2009 during breast cancer awareness month.

1 of nine features collaborations between Musicians, Artist and Designer, resulting in a cross disciplinary effort of performance pieces and a charity auction.

The name 1 of nine refers to the probability during the overall life expectancy of a women, 1 out of 9 may suffer from breast cancer. It also refers to the participants, which are made up of 9 pairs consisting of 9 musicians and 9 artists/ designers coming together for 1 cause.

1 of nine
Saturday 10 Oct 2009
3.00 - 6.00pm


Toynbee Hall
28 Commercial Street London E1 6LS

(1 min walk from Aldgate East tube station)

Tickets cost £10.00 each.
(cheque, all major credit cards and paypal accepted)

Please email info@creativesinergy.com to book your tickets. (booking fee of £1.00 will be added to each ticket on all credit cards and paypal payments)

Musicians involved:

Eeping Yee / Fontane Liang / Grace Lee / Jonathan Ang / Juan Lim / Shaun Ho / Shzr Ee Tan / Yao Cong Tan / Ziliang Song

Artists/ Designers involved:
Adam Loh / Kok Loong Wong / Lilia Yip / Louis Lau / Mohyin Kwan / Rosaline Ting (featuring: Su-Lin Looi) / Sarah Cai / Siti Osman / Song Ming Ang

Toynbee Hall
28 Commercial Street London E1 6LS

(1 min walk from Aldgate East tube station)

9 October 2009

1 of nine programme line up












Music Performance

by Fontane Liang & Song Ming Ang

Music Performance with Time-laps Photography
by Shzr Ee Tan & Louis Lau

Music Performance with Video
by Shaun Ho & Siti Osman
accompanied by Ziliang Song

Music Performance with Moving Images
by Juan Lim & Kok Loong Wong

BREAK

Music Performance with Spoken Words
by Yao Cong Tan & Rosaline Ting
featuring: Su-Lin Looi

Music performance with Film
by Grace Lee & Sarah Cai
accompanied by Ziliang Song

Music Performance
by Eeping Yee & Adam Loh
accompanied by Fontane Liang

Music Performance with Photo Montage
by Jonathan Ang & Mohyin Kwan

Music performance with Film shot on Super8
by Ziliang Song & Lilia Yip

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1 of nine
Saturday 10 Oct 2009
3.00 - 6.00pm


Toynbee Hall
28 Commercial Street London E1 6LS

(1 min walk from Aldgate East tube station)

Tickets cost £10.00 each.
(cheque, all major credit cards and paypal accepted)

Please email info@creativesinergy.com to book your tickets. (booking fee of £1.00 will be added to each ticket on all credit cards and paypal payments)

2 October 2009

1 of nine invited to perform at The Singpoare High Commission

Creative [SIN]ergy were invited to perform an abridged version of 1 of nine at the Singapore High Commission in London on October 2nd 2009. This event was hosted by Mrs Teo and the Singapore High Commission in London to an audience of ASEAN ladies.

These ASEAN ladies were treated to a morning talk on breast cancer awareness conducted by Breast Cancer Care followed by performances from the 1 of nine participants. The performance pieces included, Morgen by R. Strauss, Ave Maria by Bach-Gounod, Summertime by Gershwin and O mio babbino from the opera 'Gianni Schicchi' by G. Puccini all performed by Eeping Yee (Soprano) and Fontane Liang (Harpist), 2 solo accordion pieces by Shzr Ee Tan, an experimental music piece by Song Ming Ang (Sound Artist) and Fontane Liang (Harpist), And finally ending the afternoon with a 3min poetic film by Lilia Yip (Fashion Designer) and Ziliang Song (Pianist).

Participants involved in this event included Creative [SIN]ergy members:
Eeping Yee / Fontane Liang /
Lilia Yip / Shzr Ee Tan / Song Ming Ang / Ziliang Song

1 of nine is a charity fundraiser in aid of Breast Cancer Care, a registered UK charity. This event will be held at Toynbee Hall in the East End on 10th October 2009 during breast cancer awareness month. 1 of nine features collaborations between Musicians, Artist and Designer, resulting in a cross disciplinary effort of performance pieces and a charity auction.

The name 1 of nine refers to the probability during the overall life expectancy of a women, 1 out of 9 may suffer from breast cancer. It also refers to the participants, which are made up of 9 pairs consisting of 9 musicians and 9 artists/ designers coming together for 1 cause.

1 of nine is in aid of Breast Cancer Care and is supported by The Singapore High Commission in UK, Overseas Singaporean Unit and Yeo's, with special Thanks to Mrs Teo.

Click here for more information about
1 of nine

24 September 2009

1 of nine - 2nd rehearsal snippet

Click here to watch the snippet on Creative [SIN]ergy Channel.

Creative [SIN]ergy had its 2nd rehearsal for 1 of nine on 20th Sept at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama.
1 of nine is a collaborative project between Musicians and Artist/ Designers. This was the 1st gather of the Musicians and Artists to try and rehearse, workshop and experiment together.

1 of nine refers to the probability during the overall life expectancy of a women, 1 out of 9 may suffer from breast cancer. It also refers to the participants made up of 9 musicians and 9 artist/ designers.

Musicians involved:
Eeping Yee / Fontane Liang / Grace Lee / Jonathan Ang / Juan Lim / Shaun Ho / Shzr Ee Tan / Yao Cong Tan / Ziliang Song

Artists/ Designers involved:
Adam Loh / Kok Loong Wong / Lilia Yip / Louis Lau / Mohyin Kwan / Rosaline Ting (featuring: Su-Lin Looi) / Sarah Cai / Siti Osman / Song Ming Ang

22 September 2009

1 of nine - Book Your Tickets NOW!

Creative [SIN]ergy presents,
1 of nine
Saturday 10 Oct 2009
3.00 - 6.00pm


Toynbee Hall
28 Commercial Street London E1 6LS


Supported by: The Singapore High Commission in UK, Overseas Singaporean Unit and Yeo's
In aid of: Breast Cancer Care

Come join us for an afternoon of Music and Art. 1 of nine is charity fundraiser in aid of Breast Cancer Care, a registered UK charity. This event will be held at Toynbee Hall in the East End on 10th October 2009 during breast cancer awareness month.

1 of nine features collaborations between Musicians, Artist and Designer, resulting in a cross disciplinary effort of performance pieces and a charity auction.

The name 1 of nine refers to the probability during the overall life expectancy of a women, 1 out of 9 may suffer from breast cancer. It also refers to the participants, which are made up of 9 pairs consisting of 9 musicians and 9 artists/ designers coming together for 1 cause.

1 of nine
Saturday 10 Oct 2009
3.00 - 6.00pm


Toynbee Hall
28 Commercial Street London E1 6LS


Tickets cost £10.00 each.
(cheque, all major credit cards and paypal accepted)

Please email info@creativesinergy.com to book your tickets. (booking fee of £1.00 will be added to each ticket on all credit cards and paypal payments)


Musicians involved:
Eeping Yee / Fontane Liang / Grace Lee / Jonathan Ang / Juan Lim / Shaun Ho / Shzr Ee Tan / Yao Cong Tan / Ziliang Song

Artists/ Designers involved:
Adam Loh / Kok Loong Wong / Lilia Yip / Louis Lau / Mohyin Kwan / Rosaline Ting / Sarah Cai / Siti Osman / Song Ming Ang

21 August 2009

Creative [SIN]ergy's 1 of nine will be held at the Toynbee Hall

1 of nine, Creative [SIN]ergy's fundraising event in aid of Breast Cancer Care will be held on 10th October 2009 in the Ashbee Hall and the Lecture Hall at the Toynbee Hall in London's East End. 1 of 9 is held in conjunction with Breast Cancer Awareness month during October.

Built over 100 years ago Toynbee Hall is a Grade II listed Arts and Crafts building and retains many of its original features. Situated within easy reach of the City, Liverpool Street station and Aldgate underground, Toynbee Hall offers a convenient yet unique venue for a variety of events.

The Lecture Hall at Toynbee Hall is an elegant wood- panelled room complete with latticed windows with mullioned surrounds, wooden floor and a carved wood and marble fireplace.



The Room
of Ashbee Hall at the Toynbee Hall is still decorated in the arts and crafts style, retaining 'tree of life' medallions, Toynbee Hall’s logo, on the walls and shields of the Oxford and Cambridge colleges. Latticed windows with mullioned surrounds, wooden flooring and a marble and wood fireplace all help to create a unique atmosphere in this historic room.

"Toynbee Hall produces practical innovative programmes to meet the needs of local people, improve conditions and enable communities to fulfil their potential. We make a difference by developing local programmes that have the power to become national solutions."


About Toynbee Hall

Toynbee Hall produces practical innovative programmes to meet the needs of local people, improve conditions and enable communities to fulfil their potential.

Tower Hamlets continues to be one of the most deprived boroughs in the country and Toynbee Hall works with over 6,000 members of the community each year to support them to meet the challenges that they face and to encourage them to take control of their lives.

Each year, over 500 residential and non-residential volunteers bring their expertise to the services that Toynbee Hall offers. We place volunteers at the heart of our work, always ensuring that we offer excellent opportunities, so that volunteers can meet their personal goals and develop their own skills and networks.

For more information about
Toynbee Hall please visit www.toynbeehall.org.uk

19 August 2009

1 of nine logo revealed

The 1 of nine logo is designed by Creative [SIN]ergy member Sarah Huijie Cai.

Creative [SIN]ergy presents 1 of nine, a fundraiser event in aid of Breast Cancer Care. This event is a collaborative project between 9 Musicians and 9 Artists/ Designers. 1 of nine will be held in October during Breast Cancer Awareness Month.

12 August 2009

Creative [SIN]ergy's 1 of 9 in aid of Breast Cancer Care

Creative [SIN]ergy presents 1 of nine, a fundraiser event in aid of Breast Cancer Care. This event is a collaborative project between 9 Musicians and 9 Artists/ Designers. 1 of nine will be held in October during Breast Cancer Awareness Month.

6 August 2009

1 of nine pairings

Creative [SIN]ergy reveals the 9 parings for its next fundraiser entitled 1 of nine. This event is a collaborative project between 9 Musicians and 9 Artists/ Designers. 1 of nine will be held in October during Breast Cancer Awareness Month.

1. Shzr Ee Tan (Accordionist) > Louis Lau (Photographer)
2. Yao Cong Tan (Tuba Player) > Rosaline Ting (Writer)
3. Grace Lee (Violinist) > Sarah Cai (Graphic Designer)
4. Shaun Ho (Violinist) > Siti Osman (Curator)
5. Juan Lin (Cellist) > Kok Loong Wong (Architect)
6. Ziliang Song (Pianist) > Lilia Yip (Fashion Designer)
7. Fontane Liang (Harpist) > Song Ming Ang (Sound Artist)
8. Eeping Yee (Opera Singer) > Adam Loh (Dj)
9. Jonathan Ang (Pianist) > Mohyin Kwan (Interior architect/ Jewelry Designer/ Glass Sculptor)

28 July 2009

1 of nine - 1st kick off meeting snippet

Click here to watch the snippet on Creative [SIN]ergy Channel.

Creative [SIN]ergy had its 1st kick off meeting for "1 of nine" on 27th June at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama.
"1 of nine" is a collaborative project between Musicians and Artist/ Designers. This was the 1st gather of the Musicians and Artists to try and rehearse, workshop and experiment together.

"1 of nine" refers to the probability during the overall life expectancy of a women, 1 out of 9 may suffer from breast cancer. It also refers to the participants made up of 9 musicians and 9 artist/ designers.

27 June 2009

1 of nine - Kick Off Meeting

Creative [SIN]ergy had its 1st kick off meeting for "1 of nine" on 27th June at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama. "1 of 9" is a collaborative project between Musicians and Artist/ Designers.

"1 of nine" will be a fundraiser in aid of one of the breast cancer associations here in the UK. We have narrowed down to 3 charities and will be selecting 1 in due course.

Cancer Research UK
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/

Breast Cancer Care
http://www.breastcancercare.org.uk/

Breast Cancer Campaign
http://www.breastcancercampaign.org/

The working title "Music in PINK" has been change to "1 of nine". The word "Pink" has many different connotations these days, we simply decide that "1 of nine" would be more of an appropriate title. As during the overall life expectancy of a women, 1 out of 9 may suffer from breast cancer. Also we have 9 musicians line up and paired with 9 designers/ artist. So the new title makes sense.

Suggested musicians involved:
1. Tan Shzr Ee - Accordionists
2. Yao Cong - Tuba Player
3. Grace Lee - Violinist
4. Shaun Ho - Violinist
5. Lim Juan -
Cellist
6. Song Ziliang - Pianist
7. Fontane Liang - Harpist
8. Ee Ping Yee - Opera Singer
9. Jonathan Ang - Pianist

Suggested artists involved
1. Lilia Yip - Fashion + Music
2. Song Ming - Sound Artist
3. Adam Loh - DJ
4. Louis - Photographer
5. Rosaline Ting - Writer
6. Siti Osman - Curator
7. Sarah Huijie Cai- Graphic Designer
8. Kok Loong Wong - Architect
9. Mohyin Kwan - Interior Architect/ Jewelry Designer/ Glass Sculptor

17 June 2009

Music in PINK pre kick off meeting

creative [SIN]ergy recently had our 1st brainstorm meeting for "Music in PINK" on 4th June. The tentative dates that might work for a 2/3-hour afternoon recital in possibly an "urban" venue on the possible following dates 3, 10 or 17 October, pending on participant's and venue's availability.

Our focus of the programme will be coming up with items/ performances that are cross-disciplinary with the common theme of Breast Cancer Awareness. Where the musicians and the artists could pair/triple up to work together to come up with an item/ performances.The music involved could be classical, ethnic or improvised depending on the concept behind the idea and also the musician whom the artist is working with.

Some of the ideas we came up with were:
- Using pre-composed Western Classical music to inspire/inform the other artform. Eg. Yoyo Ma playing the Bach Cello Suites but each was accompanied by either silent film, a poem, a painting etc.

- If a concrete piece of work is created for the performance, like an artpiece or an architecture drawing/ model, this could be auctioned off at the end. These artworks can be derived or inspired by music provided by our musicians or just from the theme of Breast Cancer Awareness.

- It would be interesting to see if it might be possible to have the art piece or architecture created live as the music is being played. This music may be improvised (interesting to see the 2 artists playing off each other's artistic ideas!) or pre-composed.

- Having a film made about breast cancer/breast cancer survivors etc. and have the music improvised to it. (this might be good for a finale?)

- A mix tape with messages about Breast Cancer (eg. interviewing breast cancer survivors or poem written by our writers) and having this looped or playing in between the pieces.

We suggested that a working method might be for all of us to meet up and chat/brainstorm/play/ workshop together so that we can get a feel for each other's working styles and ideas and perhaps we might then decide the groupings, pairings. If we have enough time we might do
more than one grouping for some people ie they are not only in just one item. Therefore, we would like to ask the artists and musicians involved to meet for a 2-hour rehearsal at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama (Moorgate/Barbican tube) on 27th June 4-6pm.

Please bear in mind that everything is fluid at the moment. It all depends on who you pair up with and what each participant brings to the table.

Suggested musicians involved:
1. Tan Shzr Ee - erhu, piano, accordion, japanese taiko etc.
2. Melvin Tan - tenor
3. Grace Lee - violin
4. Shaun Ho - violin
5. Lim Juan - cello
6. Song Ziliang - piano
7. Fontane Liang - harp
8. John Chua - composer
9. Wei Wei Tan - viola

Suggested artists involved:
1. Melisa Chan - urban planning & dance
2. Song Ming - sound artist
3. Adam Loh - DJ
4. Louis - Photographer
5. Rosaline Ting - Wtiter
6. Siti Osman - Curator
7. Alex Ng - Graphic Designer/ Interactive media
8. Kok Loong Wong - Architect

Looking forward to it and hope the rest will be just as excited and full of ideas!

29 January 2009

Music in PINK - proposed event

Music in PINK is a charity fundraiser in aid of one of the breast cancer associations here in the UK. (Charity of choice tbc.) This event will be held during Breast Cancer Awareness month in October. The format of this event will be an afternoon of cross-disciplinary performances with the common theme of Breast Cancer Awareness, featuring classically trained Musicians, Artist and Designers. All of which are Singaporeans and members of creative [SIN]ergy.

The programme will be composed of Art works/ performances, where the musicians and the artists could pair/triple up to work together to come up with an Art work/ performance.The music involved could be classical, ethnic or improvised depending on the concept behind the idea and also the musician whom the artist is working with.